Interesting comments on Jill Stanek's post. Who else could explain themselves in a hole like a pro-abort? No one.
The question: "If taxpayer dollars “don’t pay for abortions”, then why would de-funding PP reduce a woman’s right to abortion?"
The answer: "It would reduce a woman’s access to abortion. In many states, Planned Parenthood is the only abortion clinic available. Without funding assistance, many Planned Parenthood clinics would close."
There you have it, straight from the mouth of prochoice. It's really simple, whether directly or indirectly, the American taxpayer pays for women to kill their babies.
First of all the question is stupid. THEY ARE DEFUNDING TITLEX.TitleX funds ALL clinics including religious backed ones. Clinics that provide birthcontrol, pap smears, prenatal care(I personally used PP for family planning,gyn exams and prenatal care. I wouldn't have mygrown kids now)mammagrams, cancer screening, mens reproductive health too.
ReplyDeleteSecond, a comment on some prolife website isn't exactly what I would consider as PROOF for anything
Third, all you accomplish by defunding, is to close the clinics that provide birthcontrol, family planning, prenatal care and open up MORE abortion clinics, because they charge fees and are not funded..good work prolife
For the millionth fucking time, Planned Parenthood DOES NOT do mammograms, so quit lying. Your side is forever shrieking that taxpayers funds don't go to pay for abortions. Now's your chance to prove it. If our tax dollars aren't going to fund your abortions, you won't even notice if we defund them, right? The Americal people spoke loud and clear at the voting booth at midterms-WE WONT PAY FOR YOUR ABORTIONS. Don't like it? Move. If you 'care' about the 'services' PP offers, fund them your damn selves. Put your money where you rhetoric is. PP will fold like a cheap tent in a less than a month if its left to proaborts to keep it running. Get a job.
ReplyDeleteAnd before you hide further behind the 'Title X doesn't fund abortions' strawman...
ReplyDeletePence pointed out that although federal law prohibits federal funds from being used to pay for abortions, Planned Parenthood receives millions of dollars each year from government grants and contracts, including federal funds, for its family planning clinics, many of which also provide abortion services.
“Planned Parenthood and their defenders will claim that the money they received has not been used to fund abortions,” Pence said. “That is only technically true. Current law prohibits the use of Title X family planning funds – quote ‘programs where abortion is a method of family planning’ closed quote.
“Therein lies the loophole,” Pence said. “While Title X money cannot directly be used to fund abortions, common sense says there’s no question that taxpayer dollars received by Planned Parenthood are used to cover allowed expenses like overhead operational costs, thus freeing up other money for the clinics that do provide abortion.”
“In many of our largest cities, Title X clinics, run by Planned Parenthood, are literally just steps away from abortion clinics operated by Planned Parenthood, many times in the same building,” Pence said.
“This legislation would close that loophole that’s forced millions of pro-life Americans to subsidize the nation’s leading abortion provider; sustaining and underwriting this nefarious trade,” Pence said
They play a shell game with the money and it ends up funding abortions anyway. And wh decides how these 'funds' are dispersed? why yes, that would be the clinics themselves.
katsworld - It's time for people to take responsibility for their own lives. They have ridden on the backs of taxpayers long enough, and frankly, they're breaking us.
ReplyDeleteArmored Saint - "If our tax dollars aren't going to fund your abortions, you won't even notice if we defund them, right?" Right on!
Oh how prolife-y you are. I'm a grandmother, I don't think I'll need an abortion anytime soon, but if I did need a mammogram I could go to PP. Sorry but you have been badly missinformed. And you have both showed me the TRUE side Of Pro haha life.Selfish, Care about nothing but yourselves. And when I used Planned Parenthood in my younger years, I was married but we didn't have health insurance and no companies didn't have to insure their employees back then.Payment was on a sliding scale.TitleX is part of what you call (obamacare)to help low income families, and we have a hell of alot of them.
ReplyDeleteArmored,sorry i can't even write that next word
I am a retired social worker, My husband of 37 years works as a construction superintendent, We have worked all our lives.We do support PP because they helped us when we needed it.
katsworld The point is that the 'entitlement' is being abused. Planned Parenthood IS about abortion. That's where their money is. While it's true that my money doesn't 'directly' fund abortion, it's not true that it doesn't fund it at all. I assume you are prochoice? If not, would you want your money going toward killing a human fetus? Abortion is what this is all about, for both sides.
ReplyDeleteOh, and please tell me how you could get a mammogram a PP, because they don't offer them as far as I can tell.
There is one PP that does mammograms in Texas. Please feel free to list the others that do and provide locations. Good luck.
ReplyDeletePlanned Parenthood is just like your doctor, they send you to specialist for whatever test are needed,you pay on sliding scale according to how much you make. But PP is beside the point. TitleX funds clinics all over the country, religious backed, health department ran, etc. Not only women use these clinics, Men can get colon cancer screenings,reproductive help, etc.
ReplyDeleteI'm not crazy about abortion. I don't think there's a person in the world that is. I think they should be done as early as possible but prolife legeslation has made it so women have to wait longer and longer. And defunding clinics that provide sex ed and birth control just means MORE abortions. I had a neice who was raped by her father. So I guess that's why I'm Prochoice. I don't think it's a baby, I don't agree with late term or even 2nd trimester abortions unless fetal deformaties or life of mother.I'm sorry but I find it offensive the lies that are going around and I plan to continue fighting those lies.If you are against abortion, don't have one, but don't try to force your beliefs on someone else.
Kats - PP could be like other Title X clinics, except that most of their money comes from abortions. It's not the fetal anomalies, or because a woman's life is in danger, or even rape cases, that make up the majority of abortions. The vast majority are done just because it's not a good time for the woman to have a baby. It's needless slaughter of human life.
ReplyDeleteIt's not so much about money, as it is about morals. Title X was intended to help women who couldn't afford birth control, and basic exams. It is now being used to fund sexual desires. And as you know, most prochoicers want it to fund abortions too. Where does it stop?
Sorry for what happened to your niece. Hopefully, she overcame the trauma of sexual abuse and is able to get past it and have a good life.
I could ask the same question. Where does it stop? Most of the legeslation prolife politicians are trying to pass is pushing women to LATER abortions, like having sonagrams, proving she was raped, defunding clinics that provide a CHOICE.(I used PP for birth control & prenatal care, not abortion) Proving a miscarriage was a miscarriage ?!!There are prolife groups that think birth control is wrong.Why not spend all this time and money on BETTER birth control, better education to young girls. You DO know that we don't have any that are 100% effective. Please don't tell me abstinence is the cure.Maybe for women who are still virgins,but we all know that doesn't work either.
ReplyDeleteI'm taking it that you're religious and believe in God, correct me if I'm wrong.Didn't GOD give man the brains to invent or develop medicine? If you bring everything down to morals, whose morals? People pick and chose the biblical morals. How do YOU know God didn't give man the knowledge to abort unwanted children. Maybe he was tired of doing it.It's not like he cares about the living, they die every day. All I get from prolife is that women are suppose to WANT to be mothers. How could you kill your "child"? Are women being deceived by the Devil, again? Just a thought. It stills comes back to YOU not wanting to PAY, only you pay either way. I worked as social worker, believe me, YOU PAY. And please don't say "well tell them to get a job" They have jobs, jobs with wages that don't keep up with inflation. I worked with a mother of 3 whose husband left her, she was holding down a full time job & 2 part time jobs and still was living at the poverty level. My argument is not whether abortion is right or wrong, my argument is Poor people need help, especially poor women. And Prolife is a WAR against Women.
Katsworld, Prolife is NOT a war against women, considering half of us ARE women. I understand your feelings about wanting to help poor womem. So do we. There are prolife charities set up to help poor women feed and clothe their kids. Prochoice charities don't offer any funding except for abortion, any that I know of anyway.
ReplyDeleteI do hold Christian beliefs, I'm not ashamed of it either. When times are tough, we can turn our problems over to Him, and pray for guidance. It's a comfort atheists will never know.
There is nothing wrong with a pregnant woman having a sonogram, even if she doesn't have a choice about it. There is a living human being inside her, our hope being once she see the fetus, she will change her mind. It is mostly prolife people of Catholic faith that are against birth control. Birth control can act as an abortifacient, which would be why I would have a problem with it. Also, the pill I think is what? 97%effective? I'm not sure about the number, but it has to be used perfectly to achieve that. Mostly, birth control can give a false sense of security, and bam, you're pregnant, and another baby dies.
Yes poor people need help. But they need to be helped so they can help themselves. The government has made them dependent on the government. It's sad! You didn't get what you have by sitting on your butt. Neither did I. You took help when you needed it, but you found a way to make it on your own (huband included). I have been fortunate to never have been on welfare, but honestly, I've been hungry plenty of times. I've lacked funds for all the things that welfare provides. I was taught that if you can't pay for it, you do without. I still practice that today.
I was taught that if you can't pay for it, you do without. I still practice that today.
ReplyDeleteContradicts everything you say about women who cannot afford to have another child. You think only single wild girls have abortions? Think again
You don't want them to take "government handouts" but taking charity OK. Another prolifer who lives in a dream world. I walked into women's shelters, I worked with families, I worked with foster kids. NOTHING that you say here makes sense. But preventing another women having a child she can't afford,and society doesn't want to pay for, does.
The difference is, to prolifers like me, the baby is already here. It's just in an early developmental stage. Abortion wouldn't be an option. We would be thinking "How am I going to take care of this baby?" not "I can't take care of a baby so I'm having an abortion". Prolife is not against anyone that needs it taking a handout. I am against system abusers, some of whom I know personally. Mothers and moms to be do not fit into that category.
ReplyDelete"I have been fortunate to never have been on welfare, but honestly, I've been hungry plenty of times. I've lacked funds for all the things that welfare provides. I was taught that if you can't pay for it, you do without. I still practice that today. "
ReplyDeleteWere You pregnant? Did you ever HAVE to say "How am I going to take care of this baby?"
Personally no, but there are lots of women that gave their babies life, when it seemed they couldn't afford it. When I said "I was taught that if you can't pay for it, you do without.", I was talking about material things, which includes necessities like food, clothing, medical care, etc. You don't kill your baby just because you're broke, you just don't. You find a way to take care of it.
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